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Depending on how long you allow your electric heater to run during the colder winter months, you could see an increase in your electricity usage, along with a higher electricity bill. If a portable electric heater serves your needs, a low-cost model will kick out the same heat as an expensive model. I am ashamed that, as a scientist I didn't think through the physics of Edenpure's claims. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. There has got to be heat loss, because travels a long distance from the furnace ouside to the farthest point. There are three main types of heat pumps connected by ducts: air-to-air, water source, and geothermal. It costs me about $9.00 per day to heat my house with Propane. You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. If you can't understand that then you must be stupid. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about "wanting to bury George W. Bush's Vietnam service record". I feel perfectly safe with the EdenPure and I probably would with the DuraFlame. CLAIM: With other heating sources, you'll notice you get sleepy because they are burning up oxygen. And, BTW, author of this site, it is SQUARE FEET, not CUBIC as you stated. I used to like him on this old house , but like many of the over the hill broke celebs. Reverse-cycle air conditioning is 300-600% efficient, which means that it can take one unit of electrical energy and turn it into 3 to 6 times as much heating or cooling energy. It just says if you use an Eden Pure heater to do "zone heating"I you will save money. I have been in this house for 10 years, so in 10 years, I have spent just in those 3 months alone $15,000. Especially true if the ductwork is uninsulated or leaks air. Another interesting point that only Delbert seemed to make is--- how much maintenance is required? I starting contacting the company and finally did receive a return shipping label. In that case the EdenPure can save you money over natural gas. The real way to reduce energy costs is to minimize the amount of energy lost by your house. F0r reference, 1000 hours is about 42 days of continuous run time. *** So the smaller heater will produce heat but others that I have tried burn the air. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on December 27, 2011: Let us know how the EdenPURE works for you, the man. I will not call this a scam. Also Bob Villa states Zone heating (room or smaller area) not the whole house. Nonetheless, they can be useful for heating small spaces, such as a small room or office cubicle. Both heated equal areas in comparable ways, even though the Lasko only costs about $50. Someone should be going after SCI for false advertising at a minimum. I unpacked this one and turned it on and the fan barely would run. the unfortunate part is, that double-wide homes MANY TIMES (not always) have poor ductwork systems (leaky or poor quality ductwork) or inexpensive heat pump systems. The big SCAM not mentioned is the advertised life of the Edenpure US-1000 or Gen4 heaters. So, for this is is great. Ads for EdenPURE portable infrared heaters promise energy savings of up to 50 percent. Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. turning you main source of heat down for the whole house and just warming up the areas you are in with the Eden Pure heater. Here is a great explanation of what you should look for (that and a 'wide mouth'): http://www.biophysicscenter.com/infrared-heaters.h Hope this helps!! Directions to Burkett Heating & Cooling Authorized Dealer & Servicer We are authorized to install, repair, and maintain heating & cooling systems manufactured by some of the most renowned companies in the world. Bob Villa uses the same deceptive wording as the company. I was directed to 3 different 800 customer service numbers. Several EdenPURE heaters have been tested and compared against Lasko electric heaters. It's CFM rate is horrible vs. a fan forced electric heater. They promote using zone heating to save money. If they did, they would have to absorb water, wouldn't they. We have found that if you turn the heater on and just leave it alone, it really does a great job. No its all on the website and in the advert's you've just got to read and understand. That claim of a 20,000 bulb life in an Edenpure heater is completely false. They said they could not do a refund because it was past the 60 days and I said I thought the 60 day thing was for the smart people that decided they didn't want it, not for a DEFECTIVE product of which I have received 2 in a row.Anyway they refused to refund my money so I guess I'm just stuck with this piece of junk. There are millions of happy customers who are telling their friends. Suarez Manufacturing Industries / Pinnacle Systems, did no component life testing at all during the Edenpure US-1000 / Gen4 product development. Ok Bob Yila lets stand behind your product and give me my money back now Do a cost comparison yourself. If the ceiling were 12', then the amount of air, 1200 cubic feet, would need heating. Options depend on your purchase amount, and a down payment may be required. Think about it, if you heat with gas you turn this thing on and turn the gas down then the increase in your electric bill well more than makes up for what you save on gas. I will check the duct for cracks and insulation and if I want to get cheaper, I'll look into the Sun. It does heat evenly. The machine shot out sparks. Turned on in December. Mobile homes are really bad for heat loss. Unfortunately, the Eden Pure ad does not lie. I was just about to order an edenpure heater. etc. Staffing and Recruiting. Answer: Virtually all electric space heaters at Amazon do the same heating job. Electric space heaters fall into four main categories: fan heaters, ceramic, infrared, and oil-filled. However after studying A LOT of them including Duraflame, and all the current ones on the market, I found Dr. Infrared to be the best comparable for a fraction of the cost of EdenPure, as well as the most highly recommended. Even a child knows that hot air rises. I bought Edenpure heater in December 2010 and my january heating bill doubled, and what they sent to me is not what I ordered from them. So does anything else that uses 1500W of electricity, such as a $15 bathroom heater or a 1500W blow hair dryer. Issues of safety, durability, and return on investment must be considered before purchasing one of the most expensive portable infrared heaters on the market. Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. I WAS FREEZING. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. First is that your heating plant is grossly inefficient and that your heating ducts practically are routed outside the house to heat the outside before coming back inside. 600 Frontage Rd, Ripon, CA 95366-2003. Oh Al, It is you who does not understand electric restisance heating AT ALL Continue to believe what you want to believe. Those heated water molecules will warm the human body faster than air molecules. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I did consider the possibility of buying one, but after reading your hub i re-read the brochure and realized that this was also extremely misleading without actually lying. Both the gen 4 and the personal. Bill Burkett was the CBS source in the Killian documents affair of 2004. I'll bet they had a forced-air heat pump. We tried their medium wings and a couple of the burgers. I have read some very interesting posts on this website and one thing I can tell you is, you can spot the smart persons from the not so smart persons. They make you confused with names, like US 1000, GEN 4 1000, GEN 3 1000. Complain all you want the heater works well. If you need a space heater and you want to needlessly make someone rich by buying something over-priced, by all means go with the Eden. Its a different volume of air being heated for different applications. Again, it was ZONE heating and with a heat pump, like that was going to save me money. The heat is a soft even heat and is extremely comfortable. Looked first at a $14.99 ceramic heater that uses 1500 watts and is rated at just over 5000 btu's. Everybody is forsale for a price Even BOB VILLA. ANY 1500 watt electric heater will give you the exact amount of heat, no matter how much, or how little you pay for it. Ductless Heating & Cooling. After reading all the comments, there is no way that I will save any money with this EdenPure Heater and will not order this. Now, if you doubt that I read that or that it can be true, the next one I copied and pasted for the guy who said 1500 watts is 1500 watts and will put out the same. This means it produces 5118 BTU of heat. Your heating in the northern regions will typically average somewhere around $500/month. It's clear that you have not only taken the bait, but swallowed the hook. Plugged it in and it ran for about 3 minutes and died. That's common sense. Once these last bulbs burn out, I will no longer use this over priced heater. No more, no less. The importance of this is any space heater will do that. That is the real savings. Question: What is a radiant barrier? Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 13, 2011: Thanks for the comment, ritamarie. However, your actual price will depend largely on the size and type of heater you choose. You don't need an EdenPURE product to close vents around your home, not in use. Electric heat is VERY expensive, no matter how much you pay for your heater. Endenpure I dont know till I get it. Al Metcalf if you want to call them stupid go right ahead anyone with half a brain can debunk your hair dryer vs heat gun theory. So people, please pay attention to this post and others like it and don't fall victim to this Biotech/Eden pure scam. A 1500-watt heater will produce at most 5000 BTUs. You are not saving money because the Eden Pure heater is an amazingly efficient heat source, it is because you are not heating the whole house to as high of a temperature. Mr.Vila and Eden Pure do you really think it is fair game on humanity to peddle your wares on them? I'm very disapointed and feel very stupid that I did not google this until now. Receive a $75 bill credit when you enroll your eligible smart thermostat in a qualifying demand response program through one of our authorized thermostat providers. If you rent, I would go with the DuraFlame at half the price and monitor the use, wear sweats, socks, and you will not only save money, you will be warm enough and have lower bills.+. Felt bad for the guy. Savetech bv. I have no complaints. PERIOD. I bought one several years ago and saved like at least 100. on my first electric bill. Download PDF manuals for your EdenPURE product. Bob Vila gave two types of scenarios. Zone heat is just that whether you use a single zone heater or have your central system set up that way. In Feb of 08 I had to order replacement bulbs, they cost $59.00 for the 1000. cold in massachusetts on January 12, 2011: where can you run a 1500 watt heater all night for $0.23? It seems the less expensive ones will not last as long (20,000hrs vs 80,000hrs, for the more expensive. What a total scam and very disappointed with Bob Vila!! Signed Mad from South Dakota and hope there is some kind of class action suit taken against Eden Pure and their misleading clan. And yes the personal heater that heats 50 s f is only the size Of a prison cell. Thank you so much! Im just another sucker. that I happen to agree with. ductwork loses a lot of energy if it is in unheated areas (your attic, your basement, etc.) FUVM. As well as my cats! State notices to consumers [affirm.com/licenses]. All of your honest comments and reviews have just saved me from making a huge and costly mistake. Kinko's", "CBS Says It Can't Vouch for Bush Documents", "THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: MILITARY SERVICE; An Ex-Officer Now Believes Guard Memo Isn't Genuine", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Burkett&oldid=1005909946, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 10 February 2021, at 01:33. The only way it would have is if I used it exactly like the Eden Pure is supposed to be used. :). However, the radiant barrier can't be sandwiched between two objects as the contact point transfers heat away quite nicely. As the . Of course, they are not as pretty, and being a woman I do want my house pretty, but again if I can save that much money by not using the air until it hits 80 in the house (and BTW the a/c does not stay on long with the fans on). Press the space key then arrow keys to make a selection. Any electric heater is 100% efficient. Hello everyone,Wow what a group of knowledge about the Eden pure heater glad that I came upon this Hub.I find the info very good, and I would like to thank all of you for your comments especially Energy Eng.,Lots of good suggestions and just good ole plain sense.I've been looking at getting one of the Eden pures and just trying it out to see if it will accommodate some of my heating needs.My wife and I are not sure what type to get ,but we know that the basic hearter furnance is not the most efficient.We will try it and get back to you all.Again thanks for the info and the laughs.God bless and have a wonderful Christmas and Holidays. This is an all electric home the highest electric bill in the winter has been $276 . There not trying to rip you off or scam you. Once again use your heads and think about what you need. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on October 31, 2011: John, it should remind you of every politician. Thanks for the good info that saved me. Needless to say, i WILL NOT be buying any expensive heating units with misleading claims of their efficiency and lower monthly savings. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. This is an electrical climate-control system which provides heat as well as refrigerated cooling. He admitted to lying to CBS about the origin of the memos when he said he got them from fellow guardsman George Conn,[6] then claiming that he received the Killian documents from a woman calling herself "Lucy Ramirez" who has never been identified. 2) People keep saying a BTU is a BTU and you can't get more energy out of electricity than is put in. For the guy who said to close off the rooms and the vents in those rooms, don't you know that can damage your central unit. Otherwise, save yourself about $400 and pick one up from Lowe's. I told her that I wanted my order cancelled and it was I hope. Look at your furnace's btu rating. heater was done on his own time in his own garage with his own tools and therefore would be outside of his scope of employment. I called customer service and they sent me a prepaid shipping label to return it and they sent me another one. I live in the South, and that is high for me (keep in mind I have not experienced this because I have not used it 24 hours a day). I have a ceramic cube heater I bought 25 years ago for $19.95 that will. Larger units typically cost more, and other features and upgrades may drive the price up to . This may be because their previous forced-air system ductwork had or developed leaks, or something was wrong with air-flow on their system (clogged filters !!) They are PAID to endorse these products. Frankly, I think enough has been said about the EdenPure. Smart Thermostats. Have now started a dispute claim with my credit card company. I could not see any savings at all. I'm going to have to take back part of the comment about space heaters. I called them again and realizing that these things must be nothing but junk I told them that I just wanted a refund. Any typical portable electric space heater of 1000-2000 W will produce exactly the same amount of heat as EdenPure. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. The square feet/cubic feet issue comes from EdenPURE ads from a few years ago when I wrote the original article. [17] Dont let anyone tell you the heat from their heaters is better or different. It is an older model. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on December 18, 2010: Joe T, I wrote this article after testing the EdenPURE heater. That way, I do believe you can save money especially during the night while sleeping. Payment options through Shop Pay Installments are subject to an eligibility check and are provided by these lending partners: [affirm.com/lenders]. They don't claim it will save you money. This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about "wanting to bury George W. Bush's Vietnam service record". Many have been running now for well over 5 years and run almost constantly all winter long. I called the order number 1-800-458-5614 and got someone and had to request a supervisor and it took a while but they got me one on the phone. Construction Company. I was going to buy an edenpure because I am a senior citizen and in winter my light bill is out of sight but reading all the negative comments, NO THANKS! HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Investigations into his military service led to the Killian documents controversy. at a fraction of the cost,with the same heat output a far fewer failure rates. Had I chosen to update and insulate when I first moved here, I could have done it for that price or less. Zero marketing at that point. If a simple electric space heater can cut energy consumption by 50 percent, then the government may wish to promote the product with tax incentives in order to break Americas dependence on foreign oil. One of the most important features and benefits of the Eden Pure vs one of the $50 that may heat the same space I would not trust most of those $50 heaters or anything that can be turned over easily and I certainly would never leave my home with one of those heaters on. The clue is in the word personal . Those watts exactly represent the energy you will get. I would not with a $20-$40 heater from one of the big box stores. Question: What is the best portable heater? That was going to be a total of 5-6 zones. I bought BOTH the heater and the air filter. I bought the Gen4, have it in the living room in the center of the 1250 sq feet, and I have not turned on my heater. Propane gas-burning fireplaces. 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I was told that they were still processing my order and that it would have been sent out this week (SURE). 1st Lt. George W. Bush in uniform. What I do not understand is if the heater is so great why are not the customer service personal returning calls. I have a 1400 watt heat gun and my wife has a 1800 watt hairdryer. The filter is as overpriced and useless as the heater. Second is that you can lower your thermastat while only heating an inner room. That's right. THINK ABOUT IT. so I'm told we will send you another RFH I don't think so on the customer service center letterhead it states OUR GOAL IS IOO% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. Suarez Corporation Industries is advertising a 20,000 hour bulb life and a 10-15 year "service" life (website, printed literature and printed on carton) for both their Edenpure US-1000 and Gen4 heaters. The same method can be used in the walls, ceiling, and floor of a mobile home to regulate its temperature. If not there could be an additional charge etc,. I have a Master of Science degree in Electrical Engineering, so I can tell you with precision that EdenPure's claims are false and misleading. My heating bill was $30 month versus $90 in kersosene and the side effects it left.I had to install a heavier wire to carry the amp's but it worked when I needed a heavier heater(1000)I think oil companies will do anything to keep you hooked,my dad(81)spent $800 for a couple months,got a few heaters and saved a bundle. This actually makes their heater less efficient. You're a blind moron, since you started name calling, when I'm just trying to help people out. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. She points out their parents had electrc heat in a double-wide. He was telling the UPS lady that he could never contact anyone at the company and what a piece of overpriced junk it was. They were not meant to be used in that manner. I live in a double wall 2500 sq ft log home (outside logs, insulation, inside logs). To reduce how much electricity or gas your hot water uses and bring your bills down, consider these tips: Turn down the thermostat: Many hot water heaters are set to 140 degrees by default, but 120 is plenty hot for most household uses, and creates less of a scalding risk. Sorry about the math confusion, but I really did mean cubic feet, not square feet. Connect with Us PH: (269) 428-2723 PH: (877) 494-9357 Contact Us I know I would not. Why do you think they would do that? For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. Don't buy this slick ripoff. They have two 1000 watt and 1500 watt settings and will heat 200 sq feet, but from what I read, the 1500 watt setting is using more electricity. It is designed for heated or cooled air to go through only the vents of the zones you have on. Bobby Burkett ( Logan Huffman) is a promising quarterback for a struggling high-school football team. When I phoned to know what the cost of a replacement bulb would be a year ago they said they did not have any except to put in new units being shipped which is why I waited til now to look into buying. THIS is the reason the heating companies have zone heating. Nothing wrong with EdenPure technology, it is credible, and the heater is as good as any other similar purpose heater (I only have hard time accepting its "ancient" design). CLAIM: With the EdenPure the temperature will not vary in any part of the room. A 50-gallon, 5,500-watt water heater with a .90 EF and an electricity rate of $.16 per kilowatt hour will cost $781 to operate each year. I have tried to return it for refund, but had to have the ORIGINAL shipping container, which I do not have after 2+ months, and neither Bass Pro Outlet nor Edenpure will accept the return w/o original shipping box, which Edenpure will NOT sell me because they say they only have one container per heater produced. I first spent a few dollars on insulation(extra)it paid off! My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! The copper is pretreated to soften the copper . Get them sealed (don't use 'duct tape', go to a Home Depot or other type store or your htg and A/c dealer or service person and ask them what type sealing tape or other to seal the ductwork). Space heaters cost about 20 cents per hour to operate, give or take, which is a whole lot cheaper than central heat for a home of almost any size. Although electric heaters do heat a room, there are more energy efficient ways of doing that. Vince DeAntonio ( D. B. Sweeney) is a former college football offensive coordinator, who abruptly resigned five years earlier, and has now become coach at the high school. The air leaks are what causes a large waste of energy. The reason why you can save on your utility bill is because you only heat a limited area of your home instead of heating areas not in use. Poor Rita still doesn't get that cubic feet is the area that you have to heat, in a room. Second, it does not have any fan that blows hot air into your room, along with all dust and mites that you inhale, getting allergies and respiratory problems. Because it works and dose save money especially if you have bad heating in your house. Best of luck. Mine stopped working 2nd yr. @$400 no thanks! When I was 1st introduced to the Edin Pure, price of heating fuel was sky high. Secure it to the basement wall using the appropriate masonry anchors for your foundation wall. For those of you who have high summer bills, I saved $1500 over the spring and summer months by setting my thermostat on 80 degrees and using floor fans (not box fans, but those on a stand, those that put out a lot of air). Everything is on the website and on the adverts. I am preparing to do that now. Water Heater Installation & Repair Service. Lowering your home's thermostat (s) and using your main heating system less in tandem with a space heatercalled zone heating will cut your utility bill. This Ken guy below me is an idiot and so are all those so called engineers that claim you get the same heat from any 1500 watt heater. PUT A THRMOSTAT IN EACH LARGE ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE THEN INSTALL A SWITCHER TO CONTROL EACH THERMOSTAT IT CUT MY BILL IN HALF. Here's examples of how those would work: 1) Say your furnace has a vent that blows all of the warm air straight outside every time the furnace kicks on giving no warmth to the house. If you were to carefully cover up where air is coming into the hair dryer and feel the front it would get much hotter maybe still not as hot as the heat gun because it has built in overload protection and it will shut off by the time it gets that hot otherwise it might hurt some people. Anyway, they said they would do a refund and to give it a couple of weeks to credit my account.Well about 3 days ago I had another one of these pieces of junk delivered to my house so I called them, again. In any case, you can reach the exactly the same result with what EdenPure promises, for a fraction of the cost. All EdenPURE does is dress it up and jack the price to the stratosphere. It claims 1000 s f for the gen 4 and it will do that just as well as most heaters. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. I was dumb enough to fall for this scam. Furnaces. If you have 5000 BTU, you can comfortably heat a space around 100-200 sq.ft with outside temperature of 20-30 F and typical insulation. No repairs either. The American Free Enterprise system only works if we work it. I've had my EdenPure for over 10 years and it's still going strong. In repairing my ductwor, I found one unattached duct that was heating my attic! The man in the commercial who stated he saved so much money that he bought two more and his electricity was half CANNOT be correct unless he is not using his EdenPures round the clock like we usually use our central. Commercial Boilers. if you live in california, with the EDEN pURE ,PGAETOLD ME THAT IT CAN COST YOU AS HIGH AS 50 CENTS AN HOUR TO RUN IT.my bill is usually 200 in the wintertime,for one month my electricity bill shot up to$360 and i had a saving of $28,gas. Common sense. And, regardless of what someone said about 1500 watts is 1500 watts and is going to heat the same area, that is not what I have read and have posted (copied and pasted from advertisements). I have a completely electric home and wanted to reduce my electric bill as it is very high now. They basically cut our heating bills in half and keep us nice and warm during the cold Pennsylvania winter nights. It can be a $20 heater from Walmart or a $400 Eden Pure. The heater is a point source of heat. [1] Keep up the good work EdenPURE! Standing by it, it doesn't really seem like it is doing much work, but, judging from our reduced power bills, it is doing exactly what these units are claimed to do. Delivery & Pickup Options - 214 reviews of Bill's Burgers, Wings & Things "New venture by the owners of the Maxican Restaurant here in Burnet. You should use your own judgement and take some care to buy the right product for you. etc,. Even your oil or gas-fired furnace does not reduce oxygen because the combustion gasses that go up the chimney are replaced by air infiltration. Most heat guns even have a little twist flap on the back which does this to the heat gun so you can adjust the heat output it has nothing but coving up the airflow to adjust temp. EdenPURE sells their heaters all day long on their website for $247 plus free shipping so where you got your $400 figure is a mystery. Provideyour email and you will be updated with the latest events and deals. After calling the hardware store that sold the heater was told I would have to contact the company who finally sent a shipping label but the instructions say that you must use the original box. Out performs? I don't care if my electric bill doubles as long as I can put off ordering and paying this Government Created Shortage of Propane at astronomical prices. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on February 19, 2019: This article was published a few years back when EdenPURE advertised their heaters at $400.
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